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Title: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Tamkid on July 15, 2017, 13:54:18 pm
Please do not use the terms Ladies and Gentlemen on the Forum it will insult people of a Transgender persuasion, in future please use the terms everyone or people.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Ivemovedon on July 15, 2017, 14:30:36 pm
I take it you are referring to the recent statement from London Underground?

Steady how you go, it's bound to get the rent a socialist crew hot under the collar. :D
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 15, 2017, 18:45:25 pm
On behalf of 'rent a socialist',can I just say Ladies and Gentlemen Sounds fine. You do realise that a large majority of the people voted for socialist orientated parties in the last election? We're sane, pragmatic people who want a fairer society.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: woe10 on July 15, 2017, 18:57:07 pm

"And the Most Intelligent Statement Of The Year Award goes to .. "

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Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Ivemovedon on July 15, 2017, 18:59:38 pm
On behalf of 'rent a socialist',can I just say Ladies and Gentlemen Sounds fine. You do realise that a large majority of the people voted for socialist orientated parties in the last election? We're sane, pragmatic people who want a fairer society.

You won't get it with the present Labour party unfortunately. Or any of the other lunatic fringe socialist head bangers. I include the dozy Lib Dems in that category of course.  ;)
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: vivafuerte on July 17, 2017, 19:08:33 pm
socialism doesn't work, look at corbyns hero's ruining venesuala at the moment, hes paying credit and praise to them yet they (the socialist party) have all but destroyed one of the largest oil producing nations on the planet.

only an absolute moron could manage that and as always, labour promote those who fail.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 17, 2017, 22:45:48 pm
And the current regime is doing so well for our country? Tony Blair is dead right when he says we need a centrist party, that encourages consensus, particularly now when infighting and political opportunism just show how poor the political elite are !
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Ivemovedon on July 18, 2017, 07:48:41 am
Blair's New Labour was a centrist party. There was more political in fighting then than there is now what with him and Brown jockying for the top spot. And talking of fighting they took us into a war that was at best misleading and at worst a downright lie to the British public. I doubt most of us have forgotten it was a centrist party that opened the immigration floodgates 'to rub the right's noses in diversity'. Very clever that was.

Yeah wonderful those centrists.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 18, 2017, 09:14:52 am
Tories came in and of course closed those floodgates? 😂 To compare the unholy
mess are in now to the bickering of Blair and Brown, you are kidding me? You are however dead right about the war, middle eastern politics, now they know how to backstab!
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Ivemovedon on July 18, 2017, 09:21:06 am
Labour's reason for doing it is what shows them up for what they are. Not because it was right for the country but to gain political advantage. At least the Tories are making an attempt to stem the flow.
A.nd who says we are in a mess. May is still PM and we are still leaving the EU. All sounds well to me. :D
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: vivafuerte on July 18, 2017, 23:19:07 pm
And talking of fighting they took us into a war that was at best misleading and at worst a downright lie to the British public.

and they didnt even arm our troops with the minimum required equipment!

looking back it is no wonder they removed the treason laws 2 weeks after coming to office, they knew they where going to be sent to jail for treason as they obviously planned to ruin the UK from the start!
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 19, 2017, 07:55:41 am
Cuts to the police, cuts to the fire services and look where it's got us! Take off those rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee gentlemen (yes I know, mixing metaphors) blaming labour for the world economic crash, you give them too much credit. We let firms like amazon and Facebook, get away with hardly paying any tax and then take away money from the disabled, think that's fair? And my last point is about immigration, we are a country built on immigration, our social services and much of agriculture would fail without it, and all those sillly brexiters could do was appeal to the baser instincts and say send 'johnny foreigner' home.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Ivemovedon on July 19, 2017, 08:12:37 am
No actually they haven't said that.

What they have said is they want to put a brake on immigration to prevent more unemployment especially in the low paid work sector, and to ease the strain mass immigration is putting on social services , mainly schools, housing and the NHS. Get your facts right instead of using Brexit to back up your socialist driven desire to brand anyone who thinks different to you on anyone entering our country as racists.

As has been proven many times before, when the argument wears thin start flinging a bit of bigotry and racist mud about and hope a bit sticks. Best way of stifling any debate.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 19, 2017, 09:40:21 am
Silly of me to mention Brexit on here, all I can say is that I have my fingers firmly crossed that you lot have got it right and that I'm just a dyed in the wool remoaner
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Ivemovedon on July 19, 2017, 10:33:07 am
 It's just the old socialist in you holding you back from the realization it makes sense. Give it a couple of years down the line and you will have forgotten all about the incompetent EU and the billions we used to have to pay them. God save the queen lol.

And remember... Socialism is something you grow out of, Conservatism is something you grow into.  :D
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: vivafuerte on July 19, 2017, 17:22:56 pm
Cuts to the police, cuts to the fire services and look where it's got us!

but cant you see, when labour spent all the money cuts had to be made! labour left us in a worse state financially then greece.

Take off those rose tinted glasses and smell the coffee gentlemen (yes I know, mixing metaphors) blaming labour for the world economic crash, you give them too much credit.

gordon brown, couldnt help his banker mates enough, removing banking reguoations as soon as he got in then continued to destroy UK finances every step of the way.

lets not mention selling all our gold reserves for the lowest wholesale price gold has ever been sold for, and guess who the deals where brockered by/bought them? you got it, gordons banking mates.

today give or take a few hundred million, the difference in price alone would have given us a extra (estimated) £42 billion, wonder how much better off the NHS would be with all that hey ;)

I know its a common labour brainwashed saying "you cant give them all that credit" but you can when, at the time, London was the world center for finances, if you mess london up the world finances follows, as London was the main finance capitol of the world, you would have to be a bit dim not to understand this, like, erm, gordon brown ? and I say was, becuase labour instead of admitting their errors tried to blame their best mates the bankers, just to sway blame away from them, made it less interesting for them to work in UK and those jobs, along with their mega high taxpaying salries went abroad.

We let firms like amazon and Facebook, get away with hardly paying any tax and then take away money from the disabled, think that's fair?

your about 17 years too late to start crying about that, labour had 10 years to fix it, its nothing new, but instead they where more interested in making the poor poorer and themselves personally richer. whilst pouring treacle down the ears of those dumb enough not to be able to think for them selves, those ho couldnt work out they where being lied to.

And my last point is about immigration, we are a country built on immigration, our social services and much of agriculture would fail without it, and all those sillly brexiters could do was appeal to the baser instincts and say send 'johnny foreigner' home.

still doesn't get it . . . . i guess you are just too smart for us, ehh ? ;0)
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: woe10 on July 19, 2017, 18:20:21 pm
And my last point is about immigration, we are a country built on immigration,

I don't think so, I think you're quoting Michelle Obama. "This country was built on Slavery", ha ha,
Where were you in the 40's 50's and 60's.

All the Coalminers, Steelworkers, Shipbuilders, fishermen, Farmers, were white British, except for a few Jamaicans.
This is what built Britain, not an immigrant in site.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 19, 2017, 19:12:55 pm
'White british' , really? Some of you need to read a history book about immigration, and Brexit was about sovereignty? 😂 Some of you need to get your KKK hoods on order. Sad .
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 19, 2017, 20:06:57 pm
Am I too smart? No, just your averAge working class Welsh guy, who knows right from wrong and isn't stupid enough to think that getting rid of foreigners will solve all our problems.😇
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: vivafuerte on July 19, 2017, 20:08:57 pm
Am I too smart? No, just your averAge working class Welsh guy, who knows right from wrong and isn't stupid enough to think that getting rid of foreigners will solve all our problems.😇

but you don't get it, my great grand father came to UK from Ukraine.

labour liars are the problem, they should be disbanded and listed as a terrorist sympathizing illegal club.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 19, 2017, 20:27:43 pm
😂😂😂😂 Sorry, do they let you put often? I'm sure it's your bed time! From immigrant stock, complaining about foreigners? Priceless 😂
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: vivafuerte on July 19, 2017, 20:39:08 pm
😂😂😂😂 Sorry, do they let you put often? I'm sure it's your bed time! From immigrant stock, complaining about foreigners? Priceless 😂

put ?

lol

please note 1 time I complained about immigrants.

and for balance also note 1 time when a labour government left office with more money in the coffers than they came into office with, shoot!
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 19, 2017, 20:45:01 pm
Vivafuerte please stop, I'm starting to get a pain in my ribs laughing!! I hope all you torie sympathisers out there are hanging your heads in shame 😂 Who would have tbought this forum could be so much fun 😂
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: vivafuerte on July 19, 2017, 21:02:14 pm
Vivafuerte please stop, I'm starting to get a pain in my ribs laughing!! I hope all you torie sympathisers out there are hanging your heads in shame 😂 Who would have tbought this forum could be so much fun 😂

see you cant back up your accusations and then autopilot like most other brainwashed labour supporters and think I support any political party, ill give you a clue, I dont, and anyone who does is a bit dim. now get on with backing up your baseless accusations and you will start gaining a bit of that credibility you are loosing by the minute.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 19, 2017, 21:15:43 pm
Please stop, this hole is deep enough! About the only thing you haven't blamed labour for is global warming, which you probably think is a socialist plot 😂 I feel so
Much happier that my faith in the dishonesty of the tories and the right wing is do clearly demonstrated.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Ivemovedon on July 19, 2017, 21:19:59 pm
Please stop, this hole is deep enough! About the only thing you haven't blamed labour for is global warming, which you probably think is a socialist plot 😂 I feel so
Much happier that my faith in the dishonesty of the tories and the right wing is do clearly demonstrated.

Wasn't sure before but now I know you really are joking.  :-*
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: vivafuerte on July 19, 2017, 21:27:27 pm
Please stop, this hole is deep enough! About the only thing you haven't blamed labour for is global warming, which you probably think is a socialist plot 😂 I feel so
Much happier that my faith in the dishonesty of the tories and the right wing is do clearly demonstrated.

please note 1 time I complained about immigrants.

and for balance also note 1 time when a labour government left office with more money in the coffers than they came into office with, shoot!

(|I know you will not do this as you lose all face and prove my point!) LOL
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 19, 2017, 21:58:51 pm
Sorry, currently in the music square corralejo with grandkids, who seem to have more of a grasp of reality than you lot. They know they get less for their pound this year due to 20% devaluation post Brexit, caused by a relatively modetate  conservative government followed by the what can only be described as a lame duck administration propped up by Irish bigots. Just disappointed that you actually believe this nonsense
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Ivemovedon on July 19, 2017, 22:04:32 pm
I'd lay off the Dorada if i were you....
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: vivafuerte on July 19, 2017, 22:05:27 pm
Malcolm throws around baseless accusations

malcolm asked to back up these baseless accusations

malcolm cant so changes the subject a la smoke and mirrors, a labour specialty

malcolm lost all face and will no longer be considered a valuable source of input.

the end
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 19, 2017, 22:16:00 pm
Peroni actually, sorry I know it's Italian😎 Yes, time to stop, enough light entertainment for a evening 😊
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 19, 2017, 23:21:57 pm
Sorry, I missed this forums subscription to the post Brexit pill, where you wake up and the pound is Again strong, we don't need foreign labour, the lions beat the all blacks and the Beatles never disbanded! Best nights sleep I could have had in ages 😊
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Ivemovedon on July 20, 2017, 07:52:16 am
Stick with the joking and the swerving of questions. It's safer.

Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: vivafuerte on July 20, 2017, 10:49:22 am
Sorry, I missed this forums subscription to the post Brexit pill, where you wake up and the pound is Again strong, we don't need foreign labour, the lions beat the all blacks and the Beatles never disbanded! Best nights sleep I could have had in ages 😊

please note 1 time I complained about immigrants.

and for balance also note 1 time when a labour government left office with more money in the coffers than they came into office with, shoot!
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Mr G on July 20, 2017, 11:42:39 am
Easy,1977- 2001 and 2001-2005 governments.
Now borrowing in 2017 is back to 2008 levels, but still more than the 2001 and 2005 governments.
I don't think any government has ever run a surplus, we have always run a deficit.
Probably always will as borrowing at a very cheap rate is available to governments.
That is why all utilities should be renationalised, any expenditure needed could be done at a lower interest rate than what is available to the private sector. And we get to keep profits, not shareholders. Simple!
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Johnrgby2 on July 20, 2017, 11:51:30 am

That is why all utilities should be renationalised, any expenditure needed could be done at a lower interest rate than what is available to the private sector. And we get to keep profits, not shareholders. Simple!


I remember when they were, and believe me w do not want that again.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 20, 2017, 12:56:26 pm
The problem is that the stigma of the old nationalised industries persists, I note in Europe ( sorry to mention that place) that many industries and services are publicly funded, are efficient and achieve good VFM and are highly rated by the population. Why couldn't we do thatrathet than leave things to the market? 😎
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Ivemovedon on July 20, 2017, 17:20:17 pm
Labour have already back tracked on the outrageous manifesto pledge to wipe out student debts.  The party's Education spokeswoman Angela Rayner said 'we never promised to do so' and admitted there are no plans for it's implementation.

As it would have cost £103billion and increased the National debt by £3,500 per household i guess it's no surprise.

Well not to those of us who know Labour anyway, but maybe it will be to a few hard up students who were conned into sticking their X next to a Labour candidate. Twice in some cases so I've heard.  ;)
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 20, 2017, 17:46:04 pm
Students are now rigging the ballot? WhAt did I say about conspiracy theorist? 😂 Lowest ever interest rates and charging the kids 6% interest on student loans, we're storing up a problem for the future with the way we treat the young, you start making big divisions on society and it will lead only one way
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Ivemovedon on July 20, 2017, 18:41:20 pm
If someone votes twice in the same election it's fraud. If you want to call it ballot rigging that's your call.

Future problems or not, if you can't afford it you can't afford it, even give away Labour have discovered that. And back to the point why should all this cash be bestowed on those fortunate enough to attend University. What about all those who are not so lucky do they get nothing?. I thought socialism was for everyone not a select few who will end up with degrees..
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 20, 2017, 19:09:54 pm
Absolutely agree,need to invest in all types of further edication, that is targetted at the skills this country needs, but let's remember these are 'our' kids, not some alien species sent here by the EU to suck the life blood out of our economy! 😂
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: vivafuerte on July 20, 2017, 19:18:51 pm
anyone see how many politicians where at today's discussion about the future of the NHS?

only 1 backbench labour MP was in attendance, corbyn obviously not in there as hes still hiding after kicking up a massive fuss over Welsh NHS car parking charges only to be told later the welsh NHS is run by labour!

there was in fact only 6 MPs in attendance, I think this shows politics isnt working, the two party system is showing it needs replacing.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: vivafuerte on July 20, 2017, 19:23:23 pm
Easy,1977- 2001 and 2001-2005 governments.

you cant just spout fiction as fact.

im shocked you mention the 70's at all, labour almost bancrupt us and made thatcher cut and sell off everything to pay for labours mistakes.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 20, 2017, 19:44:47 pm
Thatcher saved us? By butchering our manufacturing and coal/ steel industries? Even the tories try to erase her from history! Same old, same old story, labour are responsible for every world financial crash and those public school educated toffs need to come and save us! It's all wearing a bit thin, particularly when everyone on that cabinet is a millionaire. Doesn't Grenfall tell you anything about the disconnect between politicians and the people.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Ivemovedon on July 20, 2017, 19:51:34 pm
Absolutely agree,need to invest in all types of further edication, that is targetted at the skills this country needs, but let's remember these are 'our' kids, not some alien species sent here by the EU to suck the life blood out of our economy! 😂

I think you will find a fair percentage are from overseas.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 20, 2017, 19:55:40 pm
The wife worked in further education and the fees from the overseas students are what kept the colleges going. If someone wants to come here and learn, then fine, but I agree, they need to contribute.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: vivafuerte on July 20, 2017, 20:05:16 pm
Thatcher saved us? By butchering our manufacturing and coal/ steel industries?

like now, the cuts wouldn't have had to happen if labour hadn't have ruined our finances, you simply dont understand the enourmity of the task at hand especially when in 1977 labour went cap in hand to the IMF begging for billions in loans and still managed to ruin the place.

Even the tories try to erase her from history!

who cares? this is the problem, you support politics, I wouldn't be so silly ;)



Same old, same old story, labour are responsible for every world financial crash

you sound like you are currently standing in a river in Egypt!

and those public school educated toffs

Corbyn ? LOL the multi millionaire privately educated career politician who in the past 3 months denounced everything has has spent the last 30 years in politics standing up for ? haha youve been mugged off mate.

particularly when everyone on that cabinet is a millionaire.

corbyn is a multimillionaire

Doesn't Grenfall tell you anything about the disconnect between politicians and the people.

trying to make political points from grenfell is pathetic and tragic, especially when it was under a labur government that the deal was done.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Ivemovedon on July 20, 2017, 20:08:00 pm
The wife worked in further education and the fees from the overseas students are what kept the colleges going. If someone wants to come here and learn, then fine, but I agree, they need to contribute.

Did hear that they were as bad at securing funds from overseas students as the NHS is at getting payment from health tourists.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 20, 2017, 23:11:10 pm
Just on Grenfall issue,to be clear,  I do think it shows a disconnect between communities and politicians, but those ( and unfortunately I mean labour) who use this as a weapon against the tories are totally out of order
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: vivafuerte on July 21, 2017, 10:54:17 am
but those ( and unfortunately I mean labour) who use this as a weapon against the tories are totally out of order

and are as much to blame as the tories if not more so as the descision was made under another failed labour regime
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 21, 2017, 14:31:26 pm
Can't stop yourself can you? Suspect this will prove to be failure of specification and materials rather than lack of investment, naturally emotive and so wrong to politicise
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Ivemovedon on July 21, 2017, 18:54:38 pm
As most others I tend to side with the opinion that someone needs to face the music over this. But as with Tony Blair and the Iraq war and the many kids badly let down by the social services it won't happen. A wrist or two might be slapped but nobody will be held accountable and prosecuted. Lessons will be learned they always say. But they never are ..are they?. Why is it people in the public sector can get away with almost anything nowadays without paying the price .
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: vivafuerte on July 21, 2017, 19:45:12 pm
As most others I tend to side with the opinion that someone needs to face the music over this. But as with Tony Blair and the Iraq war and the many kids badly let down by the social services it won't happen. A wrist or two might be slapped but nobody will be held accountable and prosecuted. Lessons will be learned they always say. But they never are ..are they?. Why is it people in the public sector can get away with almost anything nowadays without paying the price .

and this is the problem, the current two party system is design with divide and conquer in mind so every single time there is a election the politicians win, ever wondered why labour and the conservatives wont join a coalition ? simple, because they need each other to divide and conquer us, the only winner is the politicians and lets be honest they dont give two hoots about us.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Ivemovedon on July 21, 2017, 20:39:22 pm
Problem is that there is not a single decent politician across the political spectrum who puts their country above their career and bank account. If anyone can name one I'd be most interested to hear about them. I did think at one time Priti Patel was one, but once she got herself into high office she just sunk without trace like the rest of them. Never mind the footie seasons almost here and i can continue to see Millwall get a hiding every week.
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: MalT on July 21, 2017, 21:33:12 pm
It's all a bit scary when i start agreeing with you lot, Hopefully  Cardiff can really kick millwall butts, I'll feel so much better, but both of us have edgy fans! 😎
Title: Re: Insulting The Transgender Population
Post by: Ivemovedon on July 22, 2017, 07:18:57 am
Nothing new about Millwall getting their butts kicked, they've been having it done since the first time i watched them around 1965. I'd still fancy their chances against a bunch of sheep shaggers though. ;)

PS...if by chance any offense is caused to anyone mistakenly thinking it's a racist comment..I wholeheartedly apologize to the sheep.  :D :D