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Offline dagwood

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2018, 21:43:03 pm »
Look at it this way, in the next year or less the U.K. government will collapse.
After a very nasty election campaign no party will have an overall majority but the Tories and labour will cobble some sort of arrangement not a coalition but an arrangement together, if for no other reason but to keep the far left and far right out. Normal people will become paranoid. (This may have already begun)
Government as you now know it will be impossible. The divides in society will be many and the blame will be left squarely at the door of the Brexiters.
Politicians will keep speaking about the will of the people.
Somewhere along the line a new referendum will be held and the remainers will win convincingly
The prodigal son will then be ready to return to the EU. But will a welcome await?
Blame anyone or anything you like but the mess and it is a mess the U.K. is now in is totally of your own making and absolutely no end in sight.
Good luck for the future.


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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2018, 21:52:21 pm »
Look at it this way, in the next year or less the U.K. government will collapse.
After a very nasty election campaign no party will have an overall majority but the Tories and labour will cobble some sort of arrangement not a coalition but an arrangement together, if for no other reason but to keep the far left and far right out. Normal people will become paranoid. (This may have already begun)
Government as you now know it will be impossible. The divides in society will be many and the blame will be left squarely at the door of the Brexiters.
Politicians will keep speaking about the will of the people.
Somewhere along the line a new referendum will be held and the remainers will win convincingly
The prodigal son will then be ready to return to the EU. But will a welcome await?
Blame anyone or anything you like but the mess and it is a mess the U.K. is now in is totally of your own making and absolutely no end in sight.
Good luck for the future.


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Watch this space when the euro collapses and certain countries come cap in hand to the UK for assistance, you had better hope this apocalypse you envisage does not happen in the UK. Together with the bank bail-outs, the UK taxpayer has propped up the Irish economy with at least £20bn directly (not counting the money you get from the EU from the UK`s contribution) in the last 10 years.

Good luck in the Irish negotiations with the Germans for hand outs in the future.

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2018, 22:05:29 pm »
Look at it this way, in the next year or less the U.K. government will collapse.
After a very nasty election campaign no party will have an overall majority but the Tories and labour will cobble some sort of arrangement not a coalition but an arrangement together, if for no other reason but to keep the far left and far right out. Normal people will become paranoid. (This may have already begun)
Government as you now know it will be impossible. The divides in society will be many and the blame will be left squarely at the door of the Brexiters.
Politicians will keep speaking about the will of the people.
Somewhere along the line a new referendum will be held and the remainers will win convincingly
The prodigal son will then be ready to return to the EU. But will a welcome await?
Blame anyone or anything you like but the mess and it is a mess the U.K. is now in is totally of your own making and absolutely no end in sight.
Good luck for the future.


WATCH THIS SPACE.

Watch this space when the euro collapses and certain countries come cap in hand to the UK for assistance, you had better hope this apocalypse you envisage does not happen in the UK. Together with the bank bail-outs, the UK taxpayer has propped up the Irish economy with at least £20bn directly (not counting the money you get from the EU from the UK`s contribution) in the last 10 years.

Good luck in the Irish negotiations with the Germans for hand outs in the future.


But of course you omitted the small fact we the Irish taxpayer repaid the said amount on time and at the agreed interest rate.  That money was welcome and it was a proper business arrangement not an act of charity on the U.Ks behalf that clearly benefited both parties. 
It’s also worth noting that RBS and Lloyd’s both of which are not charity’s made a financial decision to enter the lending market in Ireland for profit and no other reason. Remember they started off an interest price war and it like all price wars benefits nobody.
Of course hindsight is a wonderful thing.
When the unforeseen GLOBAL recession hit probably started by the collapse of Leman brothers everyone got hit. When the greedy U.K. banks (and remember all banks not just U.K. banks are greedy) made a bad decision the tax payer had to pick up the tab as had tax payers in Ireland the rest of Europe and America. Actually no other Comerical enterprise would this treatment
Actually the Banks got bailed out,repossessed properties and sold them. That means they got paid twice in some cases.
Had things been different would the said banks have distributed the billions of profits for the benefit of the tax payer. I doubt it.
Of course the billions of pounds they the banks were made repay for mis selling mortgage/loan repayment policies seems to be forgotten. The taxpayer probably eventually covered that one also.
The horse lost and they just robbed the bookie
« Last Edit: June 13, 2018, 22:45:26 pm by dagwood »

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2018, 22:14:53 pm »
Look at it this way, in the next year or less the U.K. government will collapse.
After a very nasty election campaign no party will have an overall majority but the Tories and labour will cobble some sort of arrangement not a coalition but an arrangement together, if for no other reason but to keep the far left and far right out. Normal people will become paranoid. (This may have already begun)
Government as you now know it will be impossible. The divides in society will be many and the blame will be left squarely at the door of the Brexiters.
Politicians will keep speaking about the will of the people.
Somewhere along the line a new referendum will be held and the remainers will win convincingly
The prodigal son will then be ready to return to the EU. But will a welcome await?
Blame anyone or anything you like but the mess and it is a mess the U.K. is now in is totally of your own making and absolutely no end in sight.
Good luck for the future.


WATCH THIS SPACE.

Watch this space when the euro collapses and certain countries come cap in hand to the UK for assistance, you had better hope this apocalypse you envisage does not happen in the UK. Together with the bank bail-outs, the UK taxpayer has propped up the Irish economy with at least £20bn directly (not counting the money you get from the EU from the UK`s contribution) in the last 10 years.

Good luck in the Irish negotiations with the Germans for hand outs in the future.


But of course you omitted the small fact we the Irish taxpayer repaid the said amount on time and at the agreed interest rate.  That money was welcome and it was a proper business arrangement not an act of charity on the U.Ks behalf that clearly benefited both parties.

The loan was with interest but if Ireland had gone to the open market the interest rate would have been much higher also didn`t see any the other European cousins following over themselves to help Ireland out.  The money to write off losses owed by Irish companies was written off using UK money.  As usual UK took a hit to protect Ireland from serious problems in its banking system. Just hope we can manage it next time and may be we can help you out. Ask the Greeks if the Germans  helped them out.

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2018, 22:33:06 pm »
Ask the Greeks if the Germans  helped them out.

of course the germans helped out the greeks, they bought up all their beautiful little islands !

I wouldnt waste your effort replying to dagwood hes a anti brit racists whos seen his bum now we are now no longer funding his ability to visit fuerte ;) he's quite nasty about it to.

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2018, 22:53:18 pm »
Look at it this way, in the next year or less the U.K. government will collapse.
After a very nasty election campaign no party will have an overall majority but the Tories and labour will cobble some sort of arrangement not a coalition but an arrangement together, if for no other reason but to keep the far left and far right out. Normal people will become paranoid. (This may have already begun)
Government as you now know it will be impossible. The divides in society will be many and the blame will be left squarely at the door of the Brexiters.
Politicians will keep speaking about the will of the people.
Somewhere along the line a new referendum will be held and the remainers will win convincingly
The prodigal son will then be ready to return to the EU. But will a welcome await?
Blame anyone or anything you like but the mess and it is a mess the U.K. is now in is totally of your own making and absolutely no end in sight.
Good luck for the future.


WATCH THIS SPACE.

Watch this space when the euro collapses and certain countries come cap in hand to the UK for assistance, you had better hope this apocalypse you envisage does not happen in the UK. Together with the bank bail-outs, the UK taxpayer has propped up the Irish economy with at least £20bn directly (not counting the money you get from the EU from the UK`s contribution) in the last 10 years.

Good luck in the Irish negotiations with the Germans for hand outs in the future.


But of course you omitted the small fact we the Irish taxpayer repaid the said amount on time and at the agreed interest rate.  That money was welcome and it was a proper business arrangement not an act of charity on the U.Ks behalf that clearly benefited both parties.

The loan was with interest but if Ireland had gone to the open market the interest rate would have been much higher also didn`t see any the other European cousins following over themselves to help Ireland out.  The money to write off losses owed by Irish companies was written off using UK money.  As usual UK took a hit to protect Ireland from serious problems in its banking system. Just hope we can manage it next time and may be we can help you out. Ask the Greeks if the Germans  helped them out.
 

You were very decent to lend us money so we could pay you back money that we already owed you.
And don’t forget all the U.K. money that flowed into Irish banks because of the unlimited guarante. Sure where would you get it. 

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2018, 22:59:44 pm »
Of course when things go tits up you like ourselves can return to the IMF.

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #37 on: June 14, 2018, 07:22:40 am »
If we manage to get out with some degree of self respect the only ones I will feel sorry for are those countries left trying to prop up a disintegrating organization of the type beachlife has described above.

We won't need any luck... but you lot trying to get to grips with financial sponges soaking up the Euros like Italy, Greece and the East Europeans, may well need a large dose of it.


I’ll remind you of this post. ALL of it.

I`ll remind you of this.

Between 2009 and 2011, RBS made "capital contributions" totalling €9.13bn (£7.6bn) to its Dublin-headquartered subsidiary Ulster Bank Ireland. Over the same period, Lloyds transferred £6.41bn to its Irish operation, Bank of Scotland (Ireland), before dissolving the business.

The total – £14bn – amounts to more than a fifth of the £65bn UK taxpayers injected into RBS and Lloyds in 2008 and 2009. Analysts estimate that RBS transferred another £2bn later.

RBS and Lloyds used the funds to write off billions of pounds of debt loaned to Irish commercial property developers and households in the "Celtic Tiger" boom years.

After the bubble burst, Ireland's banks brought the country to its knees and forced the government into a €67.5bn (£56.5bn) international rescue, including £7bn from the UK Government.

No need to thank the UK because we help our friends out when they need it.

It's an unfortunate thing to have to say but Ireland are not our friends. The Ulster mob are only propping up our Government for their own ends, and they and the rest of Ireland couldn't give a tuppenny cuss if we went under or not.

About time we realized it and acted accordingly.

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #38 on: June 14, 2018, 11:04:27 am »
and they and the rest of Ireland couldn't give a tuppenny cuss if we went under or not.

and they cdertainly wouldnt dig deep into their pockets and go without to bail us out.

not that we would expect or ever have to ask ;)

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #39 on: June 14, 2018, 17:09:43 pm »
Now this is today’s news

18,000 Ulster Bank business customers overcharged by €36 million
14/06/2018 - 04:43

Ulster Bank will refund and compensate thousands of business customers who were overcharged interest.

An error affected 18,000 loan and overdraft accounts, connected to around 15,500 customers since 2012, resulting in an average refund of less than €2,000 per account.

But will they refund the customers that were at the upper end and maybe put out of business.

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #40 on: June 17, 2018, 12:46:42 pm »
The EU is a rigid rules based organisation. These rules are treaties & to change these treaties many countries would have to hold referendums, others would see their governments collapse. These treaties are cast in stone & can’t be changed, which means even bad treaties cannot be reversed, because they know the people in the street always do their best to wreck the EU in at least one EU member state. The EU is basically trapped by its own rules, they know it & we know it.

We can do our own thing which in the case of our Galileo replacement will be a fully autonomous system away from the EU. The EU will find it now has to go away & find suitable sites for replacement ground stations & come up with new secure software. It will cost the UK no more than we had already budgeted for Galileo. The UK has a satellite constellation operated by Inmarsat which monitors most of the worlds airliners. It remotely monitors the performance of engines & location of the planes. Imagine if the UK decided that the EU was a threat to its security as the EU is now saying the UK is a threat to “It’s” security & blocked EU member states access to Inmarsat, No EU airline would be allowed to fly because they wouldn’t get insurance.

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #41 on: June 17, 2018, 14:13:18 pm »
lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/tom-swarbrick/there-is-no-brexit-dividend/

From a man in the know.

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #42 on: June 17, 2018, 14:32:28 pm »
lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/tom-swarbrick/there-is-no-brexit-dividend/

From a man in the know.

Well Mrs May on Andrew Marr programme this morning seemed to believe that her statement about increasing spending by 600 million a week on the NHS was a benefit of Brexit. So why do you seem to give his opinion  greater substance than Mrs May?

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #43 on: June 17, 2018, 14:41:52 pm »
Quote from Swarbrick 03/04/2018

Tom Swarbrick spoke of high praise for the individuals working "quietly in the background every single day" as the "most diligent and most intelligent" people.

"We are exceptionally fortunate that they are working on Brexit and going through it piece by piece in great detail on our behalf"

"They're doing this to make a success of it

"They're doing absolutely a brilliant job. having seen it up close."

Perhaps we should ask one of them???


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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2018, 18:05:05 pm »
Wherever the money is coming from the fact is the NHS wouldn't be getting it if it wasn't for brexit.

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #46 on: June 17, 2018, 18:10:19 pm »
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/theresa-may-under-fire-over-nhs-brexit-dividend-claim/ar-AAyKPf7?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=iehp

Going bad.

Sarah Wollaston is a remainer would not expect her to say anything else. Again her opinion is just that, Mrs May has made a decision on spending money on the NHS because of Brexit.
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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #47 on: June 17, 2018, 18:12:35 pm »
Wherever the money is coming from the fact is the NHS wouldn't be getting it if it wasn't for brexit.

I reckon this guy is up for David Davis's job when he resigns. Seriously, you need to get out more!

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« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2018, 18:18:23 pm »
I'll accept that if you explain why.

The NHS looks like it will be getting it. Whether it's revenue from direct taxation and used as a brexit tactic by May or whether it really is from what would have been EU contributions.

Just one winner whatever way...the NHS
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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #49 on: June 17, 2018, 18:24:20 pm »
I'll accept that if you explain why.

The NHS looks like it will be getting it. Whether it's revenue from direct taxation and used as a brexit tactic by May or whether it really is from what would have been EU contributions.

Just one winner whatever way...the NHS


I think he gets out just fine......the winner is the NHS or rather it would be if any of the army of civil servants employed there decided to tackle the huge waste. This extra, whilst appeasing the masses will just serve to swell the waste in reality

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2018, 22:31:53 pm »
I think the NHS is just a big money pit TBH. It’s the same (or similar) to any big government organisation!! If the ¥50 lightbulbs & such like we’re cut back to realistic prices (& please realise I am generalising here) & the mega pharma companies stopped being allowed to be in cahoots with the politicians we might get a cost effective service.
That is not even looking at the GP side of things which is even worse !! The last “new contract” that was given to the Doc’s was a joke !! In my local surgery you have to jump through so many bloody hoops to even get an appointment & when you get in, I have NEVER seen more than six people waiting & that is with maybe up to 6 doc’s on. Working flat out my a*se. Same with the dentists, they will no longer take out a tooth practically until it jumps out. The more they keep in your gob (regardless of condition) the more money they fleece of the government for patient/check up numbers.

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #51 on: June 17, 2018, 22:44:40 pm »
the more money they fleece of the government for patient/check up numbers.

a dentist i knew in lincolnshire (he was in a club I was in) with 7 practises was jailed for blagging NHS work.

ohh look we need to remove those teeth . . . . . i dont trust dentists.

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #52 on: June 18, 2018, 07:23:25 am »
In my opinion the he main source of NHS waste is the continued treatment of patients who have no right to it and other flagrant abuses of it's facilities. Someone needs to get a serious grip of the problem instead of just talking about it. The flow is endless and just chucking more money at it and doing nothing else will not solve the massive administration problem it faces.

How hard can it be to get a team of people who know what they are doing in, to get to the bottom of it, and putting it right. Targets should be set and any NHS authority not meeting them should face internal investigation. Start getting tough with spending taxpayers (and Brexit) money.

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2018, 13:40:42 pm »
In my opinion the he main source of NHS waste is the continued treatment of patients who have no right to it and other flagrant abuses of it's facilities. Someone needs to get a serious grip of the problem instead of just talking about it. The flow is endless and just chucking more money at it and doing nothing else will not solve the massive administration problem it faces.

How hard can it be to get a team of people who know what they are doing in, to get to the bottom of it, and putting it right. Targets should be set and any NHS authority not meeting them should face internal investigation. Start getting tough with spending taxpayers (and Brexit) money.
The NHS is a giant Ponzi scheme full of overpaid suits walking around with Clip Boards and charts. Needs a total reinvention. More money will just go to more Administration and Business consultants.

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #54 on: June 18, 2018, 15:06:15 pm »
In my opinion the he main source of NHS waste is the continued treatment of patients who have no right to it and other flagrant abuses of it's facilities. Someone needs to get a serious grip of the problem instead of just talking about it. The flow is endless and just chucking more money at it and doing nothing else will not solve the massive administration problem it faces.

How hard can it be to get a team of people who know what they are doing in, to get to the bottom of it, and putting it right. Targets should be set and any NHS authority not meeting them should face internal investigation. Start getting tough with spending taxpayers (and Brexit) money.

Never realized taxpayers, and Brexit, where two identities?

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #55 on: June 18, 2018, 15:31:49 pm »
Taxpayer money paid directly from your annual tax returns or money saved from having to pay EU contributions. Which is still taxpayer funded but from a different source. (According to Mrs May )

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #56 on: June 18, 2018, 16:14:39 pm »
So no difference then, don’t understand why the UK do adopt the same system as Fuerteventura works fine, (well I do understand). still a good system though

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #57 on: June 18, 2018, 16:55:01 pm »
Taxpayer money paid directly from your annual tax returns or money saved from having to pay EU contributions. Which is still taxpayer funded but from a different source. (According to Mrs May )


For the umpteenth time GOVERNMENTS HAVE NO MONEY. THEY SPEND MONEY BELONGING TO THE TAXPAYER. It’s up to the taxpayer to decide if it’s spent wisely and let them know at the next election.

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Re: why are europeans so worried about brexit ?
« Reply #59 on: June 19, 2018, 11:52:17 am »
Taxpayer money paid directly from your annual tax returns or money saved from having to pay EU contributions. Which is still taxpayer funded but from a different source. (According to Mrs May )


For the umpteenth time GOVERNMENTS HAVE NO MONEY. THEY SPEND MONEY BELONGING TO THE TAXPAYER. It’s up to the taxpayer to decide if it’s spent wisely and let them know at the next election.

Of course they have money ... And they can do what they want with it. Like many others I never voted in David Cameron to spend my money on foreign aid, or Tony Blair to squander millions sending British troops to Iraq, or any of them come to that to spend it on benefits for the idle. But they do as they please. And when you can do that it's YOURS. Once it gets to the Treasury it certainly ain't OURS.

Elections mean nothing, manifesto promises are changed to suit themselves once they assume power, and if all parties do it, letting any one of them know of your displeasure is going to make little difference.
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