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« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2018, 14:40:21 pm »
Airbus probably will move out of the UK if things continue on their current course. They handle a huge engineering challenge and if their are no easy borders that remove all customs delays/tax then their model starts to become difficult to operate. They may have previously been unhappy that the UK didn't use the Euro as parts are hard to fix a firm price on when the wings change in cost by the GBP and the cockpit by the EUR, but that's just inconvenience compared to the complications they have with moving parts through borders when they run a JIT service model across a whole continent.

There are many companies that will stop investing in the UK as a result of this same problem. For a time I worked at a UK Electronics chip fabrication facility, one of only two in the EU that operated a 24hour turn around. They would get business from Germany because it was a "hot-lot" that was time critical, like xbox chips in time for christmas or a sudden shortage of the new Ford Focus control chips. None of the customers would be happy paying for that service if there was even a chance that UK/French customs held up their order.
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« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2018, 14:56:15 pm »
No problem Lexus they’ll sell aircraft wings to Argentina oh and they could make a set for bonking Boris he needs them for the aircraft he wants for his his world tour.

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« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2018, 16:45:03 pm »
There won't be any border problems post Brexit. As with non membership of the Euro, ( the problems of which they appear to have overcome with little difficulty ) ,non membership of the EU will make no difference. There will only be problems if somebody wants there to be. As loss of revenue would be involved nobody will.
 
As I said Airbus has not cleared off.

Apparently when pressed on the subject their reply was 'no comment',.

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« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2018, 22:35:01 pm »
airbus have a long history of threatening the UK to do what they want UK to do, remember they said if UK doesnt accept the Euro instead of the pound they would leave UK ?

there is no need for that kind of hostility as it only breeds a response, and with enough of them, they have started a trade war, and we aint like the rest of europe, and the rest of europe knows this.

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« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2018, 07:50:03 am »
Looks like the US / EU trade war is hotting up with Trump talking about cars now. Best thing we could do is get out fast and set up our own deals pronto. The EU is not just a busted flush on immigration and warring member states.... it is not on the same wavelength as America.

Its all gonna end in tears. Lucky for us we are on our way out.

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« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2018, 10:30:53 am »
what the rest of europe will realise eventually (might take a while as some on here are REALLY dumb) is UK enabled the EU to be a thing, the UK paid for germany's car industry to exist, the UK did without to help EU build up and now, today, we have these scrubby little nobodys, who are only a actual thing as we did without to help them become a thing, these scrubbers are now threatening us !

I dont know why we even bother sometimes.

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« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2018, 13:10:00 pm »
News today, car industry to take a hammering post brexit, don't know where they get all this future information from,? investment down by almost 50% in a year :o :o
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« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2018, 13:42:26 pm »
News today, car industry to take a hammering post brexit, don't know where they get all this future information from,? investment down by almost 50% in a year :o :o

It's based on the industry fact that historically UK car plants cost more to run than their EU counterparts, but also the staff operate at higher efficiency levels therefore making them profitable. The news is that car plant investment in the UK is at a very noticable low-point, and therefore it is guaranteed that efficiencies will drop, as all car plants are only  as good as the technology used to keep them kicking out cars at rapid speeds. Just take a look at the VW car lift system in Wolfsberg to see how important it is to keep the line moving.

If you think they will be able to make up that shortfall after Brexit is complete then you then only need to look at Tesla's troubles with ramping up production to see how difficult it is to setup these production lines, you can't do it over night.

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« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2018, 14:02:41 pm »
I don't think anyone expects everything post brexit to fall into place overnight. Even the most ardent brexiteers think there will be teething problems. But no problems that cannot be overcome.In the long run brexit is in the National interest, short term problems are there to be met head on and solved. It's going to happen and the sooner these whinging snowflake business leaders accept it and start preparing their companies for it the better.

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« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2018, 14:31:23 pm »


It's based on the industry fact that historically UK car plants cost more to run than their EU counterparts, but also the staff operate at higher efficiency levels therefore making them profitable. The news is that car plant investment in the UK is at a very noticable low-point, and therefore it is guaranteed that efficiencies will drop, as all car plants are only  as good as the technology used to keep them kicking out cars at rapid speeds. Just take a look at the VW car lift system in Wolfsberg to see how important it is to keep the line moving.

If you think they will be able to make up that shortfall after Brexit is complete then you then only need to look at Tesla's troubles with ramping up production to see how difficult it is to setup these production lines, you can't do it over night.
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Problem is you are still looking  past UK assembly figures it has improved due to new plants and methods introduced by the Japanese and adapted by the new modern British management and workers.

In 1986, Nissan Motors U.K. started to produce cars at its plant in Washington, near Newcastle. According to Nissan, the productivity level of the U.K. plant as of 1992 was almost the same as that of the Japanese 'mother plant' (Oppama).

Toyota exports 85 per cent of the car and engines it makes at its UK plants in Burnaston and Deeside. It exports its cars to Japan which is a tribute to the skills of the workforce, the efficiency of the plants and the quality of its products.

UK production of cars for Japanese buyers has risen 34.5%, making the country Britain’s sixth biggest export market, and the second biggest in Asia after China. The growth is thanks to an increasing appetite among Japanese motorists for the UK’s growing range of premium, luxury and high performance models. After Germany, the UK is the EU’s second biggest manufacturer of these premium, aspirational products, and latest production figures show that in the first half of 2017, 12,656 Japanese motorists chose a British-built car.

Of course investment has been reduced recently with project fear it always was going to be reduced. No doubt lots of UK investors were going to buy houses in Spain boosting its economy but I imagine a lot of them have held back in doing so, but we don`t hear messages of doom and gloom about the consequences of that on the Spanish economy.

The effect of Irish goods going through the UK transport system why are the Irish not more concerned about that. Belgium and the Netherlands, as well as those with high volumes of trade such as Germany and France — will suffer the biggest economic impact from Brexit.

The German city of Bremen stressed that the U.K is its third-largest trade partner while Berlin pointed out that the U.K. is its fifth-largest. For Cyprus, “Britain is the second trading partner … as a whole and the first one in terms of services, investment and shipping.” And while Polish regions made clear their biggest concern is a reduction of the EU budget, the province of Lublin, southeast of Warsaw, is also worried about reduced exports, “especially agricultural and agri-food products.”

Stockholm, warns that “the U.K is the third largest foreign investor in Sweden [around €31 billion in 2014] … and the seventh largest Swedish investment market.” And in Murcia, in the southeast of Spain, the U.K. is the No. 2 destination for exports (10.4 percent of total), “with the agri-food industry being the most important, sending 75 percent of its exports to the U.K.,”

So why do some people on here jump on negative news regarding the UK rather than focusing on the concerns that other EU partners have so that a sensible dialogue can be had to resolve the issues.

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« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2018, 16:00:40 pm »
Not really in the same league as you lads but did read today that investment in the UK Motor Industry has dropped 50% since last year, from £600 million to £300 million, the powers that be give the reason as the uncertainty over Britex??  my local KIA dealer reckons sales in New Cars have been dire in 2018 they have paid staff off??? as have a number of local traders (second hand info). I have never checked the official figures on car sales.

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« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2018, 16:11:04 pm »
the new car sales dropping was due to the stupid tax raise they did, go hve a look how much road tax you have to pay on a new car!

I bought a AMG last year registered on march 30th saved over 2 grand

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« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2018, 16:26:15 pm »
Lads keep your cool, I think company's will use any current uncertainties to cover actions they wish to carry out anyway. I think the UK need's to keep its cool and focus on leaving. Yes you will have losses but also gain's. The UK has a great history of science, technology and manafacturing so use the past determination to create a truly British world brand name. The EU needs the UK more than the UK need's the EU. The people have voted so just get on with it, the sooner you leave the better to focus on the issues the UK face. I think the UK need's to believe in yourself and have the balls to carry it out. Just do it, look at world war two the country united against a common enemy it's that kind of focus the UK need's. It's like the y2K issue back in the 2000 all computers/ world was going to grind to a halt but it didn't. Life post Brexit will probably be the same as it did last year, no-one will have died, you will still have bills and taxes to pay.
The issue of UK needing Visas etc, horse s h i t, do you think that Spain, France etc who need UK tourist's to servive will not seek a solution to this issue is no visa. I think the EU will use scare tactics pre Brexit to apply pressure on the UK don't fall for it.
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« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2018, 16:43:38 pm »
We haven't.

Whats making it hard is the negativity of some second rate politicians, weak minded business men and a House of Lords dominated by anti brexit senile pensioners. The idiots are prepared to tie Teresa May's negotiating hands and let the EU dictate the terms of us leaving. Total bunch of tosspots.

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« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2018, 17:17:27 pm »
Me thinks the penny is starting to drop.

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« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2018, 17:56:24 pm »
As long as it's a penny and not a Euro... ;)

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« Reply #46 on: June 26, 2018, 17:57:12 pm »
Me thinks the penny is starting to drop.

how does one think when one hath no brain ?

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« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2018, 12:24:21 pm »


It's based on the industry fact that historically UK car plants cost more to run than their EU counterparts, but also the staff operate at higher efficiency levels therefore making them profitable. The news is that car plant investment in the UK is at a very noticable low-point, and therefore it is guaranteed that efficiencies will drop, as all car plants are only  as good as the technology used to keep them kicking out cars at rapid speeds. Just take a look at the VW car lift system in Wolfsberg to see how important it is to keep the line moving.

If you think they will be able to make up that shortfall after Brexit is complete then you then only need to look at Tesla's troubles with ramping up production to see how difficult it is to setup these production lines, you can't do it over night.
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Problem is you are still looking  past UK assembly figures it has improved due to new plants and methods introduced by the Japanese and adapted by the new modern British management and workers.

In 1986, Nissan Motors U.K. started to produce cars at its plant in Washington, near Newcastle. According to Nissan, the productivity level of the U.K. plant as of 1992 was almost the same as that of the Japanese 'mother plant' (Oppama).

Toyota exports 85 per cent of the car and engines it makes at its UK plants in Burnaston and Deeside. It exports its cars to Japan which is a tribute to the skills of the workforce, the efficiency of the plants and the quality of its products.

UK production of cars for Japanese buyers has risen 34.5%, making the country Britain’s sixth biggest export market, and the second biggest in Asia after China. The growth is thanks to an increasing appetite among Japanese motorists for the UK’s growing range of premium, luxury and high performance models. After Germany, the UK is the EU’s second biggest manufacturer of these premium, aspirational products, and latest production figures show that in the first half of 2017, 12,656 Japanese motorists chose a British-built car.

Of course investment has been reduced recently with project fear it always was going to be reduced. No doubt lots of UK investors were going to buy houses in Spain boosting its economy but I imagine a lot of them have held back in doing so, but we don`t hear messages of doom and gloom about the consequences of that on the Spanish economy.

The effect of Irish goods going through the UK transport system why are the Irish not more concerned about that. Belgium and the Netherlands, as well as those with high volumes of trade such as Germany and France — will suffer the biggest economic impact from Brexit.

The German city of Bremen stressed that the U.K is its third-largest trade partner while Berlin pointed out that the U.K. is its fifth-largest. For Cyprus, “Britain is the second trading partner … as a whole and the first one in terms of services, investment and shipping.” And while Polish regions made clear their biggest concern is a reduction of the EU budget, the province of Lublin, southeast of Warsaw, is also worried about reduced exports, “especially agricultural and agri-food products.”

Stockholm, warns that “the U.K is the third largest foreign investor in Sweden [around €31 billion in 2014] … and the seventh largest Swedish investment market.” And in Murcia, in the southeast of Spain, the U.K. is the No. 2 destination for exports (10.4 percent of total), “with the agri-food industry being the most important, sending 75 percent of its exports to the U.K.,”

So why do some people on here jump on negative news regarding the UK rather than focusing on the concerns that other EU partners have so that a sensible dialogue can be had to resolve the issues.

But I said UK plants are really efficient, yes just like the Japanese.

They won't be as efficient in 3 years if there is no money invested in the production lines right now

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« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2018, 12:38:42 pm »
The U.K. are very nice buying all this food stuff from other countries like Spain.
The reason they buy it is because it’s cheap and they NEED it to feed the population. They don’t buy it because they like it’s country of origin.
As I said many times Britain is only an assembly plant for European companies and when it becomes uneconomical to assemble the products it’ll be so long been nice to know you.
Not to mention the lack of investment because of red lines and the uncertainty on the customs union etc

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« Reply #49 on: June 27, 2018, 13:25:38 pm »
im absolutely ruining my underwear hourly becuase of brexit.

we know

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« Reply #50 on: June 30, 2018, 06:51:22 am »
msn.com/en-gb/money/company-news/bae-systems-wins-£20bn-contract-to-build-warships-for-australia/ar-AAziT2M?li=AA54rU&ocid=iehp

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« Reply #51 on: July 06, 2018, 15:49:13 pm »
i see he's banging on again trying to stay relevant.

what hes not telling us though is that aviation products are not taxed, he's in a industry where they are not taxed at the border of any country but he wants you to think they are taxed and it will make a difference to scare you into worrying about something that is not even a thing.

and thats remaoners all over, fear, weak people who are scared.

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« Reply #52 on: July 06, 2018, 16:06:47 pm »
Whatever the case Teresa May is going to drop us in it....you can just feel her indecision, her rank lack of skill in negotiating and her preparedness to be bullied by the EU to the point where once they have her cornered she will cave in. She has no intentions of walking away with no deal, she never has and they are wise to it.

Not so much no deal is better than a bad deal. more like any deal to appease the EU and the remainers.


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« Reply #53 on: July 06, 2018, 16:27:32 pm »
i see he's banging on again trying to stay relevant.

what hes not telling us though is that aviation products are not taxed, he's in a industry where they are not taxed at the border of any country but he wants you to think they are taxed and it will make a difference to scare you into worrying about something that is not even a thing.

and thats remaoners all over, fear, weak people who are scared.



Tell That to the people who’s jobs are on the line.

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« Reply #54 on: July 06, 2018, 17:59:37 pm »
Whatever the case Teresa May is going to drop us in it....you can just feel her indecision, her rank lack of skill in negotiating and her preparedness to be bullied by the EU to the point where once they have her cornered she will cave in. She has no intentions of walking away with no deal, she never has and they are wise to it.

Not so much no deal is better than a bad deal. more like any deal to appease the EU and the remainers.

sadly I agree, this will be the end for May, that might  not be a bad thing though.

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« Reply #55 on: July 06, 2018, 18:03:17 pm »
Tell That to the people who’s jobs are on the line.

you see this is the difference between you scared to death lefties, if I lost my job, i will go get another, im not number two you see, ill just get another job.

why do you think you never made anything of yourself ?

becuase you are weak ?

;)

and who said the airbus jobs where leaving uk ? you dont understand the implications it would have for airbus, if he did that shareholders would push him out of his job, you simply dont understand how these things work.

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« Reply #56 on: July 06, 2018, 18:17:50 pm »
One positive from this whichever way Brexit goes..it will bring an end to the constant whining wailing and woe is me bulls58t from the project fear nutcases.

We might get a bit of peace and quiet from the doom mongering swivel eyed loons. ;)

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« Reply #57 on: July 07, 2018, 22:45:00 pm »
Tell me again why I’m wrong? 



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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2018, 12:32:59 pm »
I’m not in the habit of repeating myself but:::

Look at it this way, in the next year or less the U.K. government will collapse.
After a very nasty election campaign no party will have an overall majority but the Tories and labour will cobble some sort of arrangement not a coalition but an arrangement together, if for no other reason but to keep the far left and far right out. Normal people will become paranoid. (This may have already begun)
Government as you now know it will be impossible. The divides in society will be many and the blame will be left squarely at the door of the Brexiters.
Politicians will keep speaking about the will of the people.
Somewhere along the line a new referendum will be held and the remainers will win convincingly
The prodigal son will then be ready to return to the EU. But will a welcome await?
Blame anyone or anything you like but the mess and it is a mess the U.K. is now in is totally of your own making and absolutely no end in sight.
Good luck for the future.

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« Reply #58 on: July 08, 2018, 02:52:07 am »
By gum, it's grim up north.

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« Reply #59 on: July 08, 2018, 03:02:31 am »
Tell me again why I’m wrong? 



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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2018, 12:32:59 pm »
I’m not in the habit of repeating myself but:::

Look at it this way, in the next year or less the U.K. government will collapse.
After a very nasty election campaign no party will have an overall majority but the Tories and labour will cobble some sort of arrangement not a coalition but an arrangement together, if for no other reason but to keep the far left and far right out. Normal people will become paranoid. (This may have already begun)
Government as you now know it will be impossible. The divides in society will be many and the blame will be left squarely at the door of the Brexiters.
Politicians will keep speaking about the will of the people.
Somewhere along the line a new referendum will be held and the remainers will win convincingly
The prodigal son will then be ready to return to the EU. But will a welcome await?
Blame anyone or anything you like but the mess and it is a mess the U.K. is now in is totally of your own making and absolutely no end in sight.
Good luck for the future.
He has been on the Sherry again the poor old soul.