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Offline Charlie dont surf

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Dancing Queen
« on: May 25, 2019, 17:07:48 pm »
Does anyone else feel slightly sorry for our soon to be Ex PM? It was all downhill for her after she 'attemped' to dance in public and I sort of knew her days were numbered from then on.
Can't wait for the freak show to begin in earnest. Bungling Boris and Hopeless Nigel leading the Lemmings off the cliff edge.
RIP Great Britain. It's been nice knowing you  :(

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Re: Dancing Queen
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2019, 08:03:53 am »
What gets me is the Brexit 'we've only been around for 5 weeks' Party. What a load of tosh. If NF was still leader of UKIP and someone else had started the Brexit Party, who do you think would have the most support.

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Re: Dancing Queen
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2019, 09:46:19 am »
Take a look at any of the 8 muppets who will be our next PM and you can see why we are heading for a General Election. Especially after Farage and his Brexit party will triumph in the pointless European Elections. It's already been shown that a no deal wont get the majority it needs in Paliament so a GE followed by a second referendum is the only way forward. Let's get on with it.

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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2019, 09:53:16 am »
What gets me is the Brexit 'we've only been around for 5 weeks' Party. What a load of tosh. If NF was still leader of UKIP and someone else had started the Brexit Party, who do you think would have the most support.

Hypothetical question. Because there is no other politician with the charisma to start a party like his and gain the support he has. You can bash him and the brexit party all you like but he is providing an outlet for a lot of politically disenfranchised people. Look at change UK...they are offering the complete opposite...but not only are the party elite a bunch of duds they are not offering what the people want, thats obvious by their lack of support. Nor will the Lib Dems who are a long term failure and when the protest votes are over, still will be.

That leaves us with  the Cons and Labour. People have had enough of both of them.

Personally I still don't think brexit is a done deal in any shape or form despite May going. The Eu election results might help to point the way forward a little better though.

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Re: Dancing Queen
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2019, 09:57:53 am »
I agree about a GE but not so sure about a second referendum. For the record, I voted remain, and, due to the closeness of the result, thought a second referendum or revoking Article 50 was the way to go. Now I have changed my mind. Given that we have now lost face with Europe I see no way we can remain. If we have a second referendum and it comes out remain then it will just mean that we will be back to square one and I believe it will make the country more divided.

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Re: Dancing Queen
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2019, 10:49:01 am »
I still cannot fathom how people think we should have a second referendum?? The result was what it was !! & should stand, same as any other democratic vote, it wasn’t a draw so why rerun it. For the record, I voted to leave & feel even more so now. Personal opinion but I don’t think a GE will change anything, at this stage very few politicians (if any) have any respect from the population & the way they are going I cannot see a way forward from this mess. The EU elections (while a joke in the circumstances) will likely give NF a platform he won’t be in Westminster so what does it change !!

Offline Charlie dont surf

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Re: Dancing Queen
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2019, 11:16:11 am »
If Parliament can't agree on how we leave the EU then it should be the people who decide. A no deal being an option on the Ballot Paper. It has to end up this way eventually.

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Re: Dancing Queen
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2019, 11:39:45 am »
The people have already decided. Another referendum would be an establishment referendum...specifically orchestrated to overturn the peoples one. You can brush it up with any name you like but a peoples referendum it most certainly won't be.

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Re: Dancing Queen
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2019, 14:43:06 pm »
If there is another referendum and remain wins, does that mean we should then have a best of 3 decider. Seems only fair.

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Re: Dancing Queen
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2019, 17:28:38 pm »
Personally I think the result of this weeks European elections will show how the country feels and it will be a good pointer toward the outcome of so called people's vote.
 If you lost that one as well would you call for a sad losers vote?

Offline malabu

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Re: Dancing Queen
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2019, 20:37:12 pm »
If Parliament can't agree on how we leave the EU then it should be the people who decide. A no deal being an option on the Ballot Paper. It has to end up this way eventually.
Should be no further vote, I hope we get someone with the balls to listen to the people, and before anyone reminds me yes we did vote to remain and lost,  so the sooner we go the sooner we recover, the damage is done, the uncertainty is worse by the day

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Re: Dancing Queen
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2019, 06:46:42 am »
There's your so called people's vote. The Liberal Democrats (remain) versus The Brexit Party (leave)

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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2019, 09:19:10 am »
No deal Brexit parties 34.9% Brexit and UKIP
Remain parties 35.8 Lib Dem’s, Green, Change

Anti-Brexit parties - those in favour of another referendum - collectively took about 40% of the vote, compared with 35% for the two parties in favour of leaving the EU without a deal.

So whatever way you look at it, Remain/ another vote won.
« Last Edit: May 27, 2019, 09:32:03 am by Mr G »

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Re: Dancing Queen
« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2019, 09:38:35 am »
looks like the result has ruffled the feathers of a few remainers.

Cook up the results to suit your way of thinking if it makes you feel better.. long and the short of it is those that are not subservient to the EU have a big say in the European parliament now which we didn't before. Job done.

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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2019, 09:52:35 am »
No need to cook the results, they are the Facts.
Not fake news, just Facts.
Shame some people are unable to comprehend the latest European Parliament election results.
Brexit party  received more votes, no problem with that, but overall more people voted for Remain/2nd Referendum than Brexit with no deal.
What’s so difficult to understand?

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Re: Dancing Queen
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2019, 10:05:43 am »
One step closer to a General Election & one step closer to a Second referendum. Thanks Nigel, you’ve made a remainers dream come true  :-*

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« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2019, 10:35:07 am »
Will Arron Banks want his money back from Nigel.
Take away his home, car and driver.
He obviously thought he was the best Politician money could buy.

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Re: Dancing Queen
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2019, 11:14:23 am »
What planet are you two on? Still in denial. The Tories are leave so Where's their percentage plus most Labour voters are leave but don't include them will you. At the end of the day a party that has only been in place for a few months that is being lambasted all over the show especially by the media won the lions share of the vote. And that is a fact.

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« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2019, 11:18:49 am »
No need to cook the results, they are the Facts.
Not fake news, just Facts.
Shame some people are unable to comprehend the latest European Parliament election results.
Brexit party  received more votes, no problem with that, but overall more people voted for Remain/2nd Referendum than Brexit with no deal.
What’s so difficult to understand?

But you continue to ignore the facts...the facts are you cannot just bundle up the green vote to make them all look anti brexiteers. The real fact is people voted for the brexit party because it does what it says on the tin...brexit. The green party also does what it says on the tin. It's green credentials are paramount. and that's what people voted for. You just juggle the numbers to suit your agenda. Been doing it for 3 years now.

Fact...The brexit party won ...with much to spare, or was that one too close as well so it doesn't count.. The others lost. Just as leave won the referendum and remain lost. You just keep on losing. And you will in another referendum I'm positive of it. But hey we are all entitled to an opinion. Even Charlie.

Just shows the brexit agenda has livened up this forum. Risen from the dead so to speak. ;D ;D

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Re: Dancing Queen
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2019, 11:21:31 am »
Will Arron Banks want his money back from Nigel.
Take away his home, car and driver.
He obviously thought he was the best Politician money could buy.

The first signs of desperation. Attacking the man and not the concept.

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« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2019, 12:42:37 pm »
Everyone attacks his concept, although not sure he has any policy except no deal Brexit.
He doesn’t want to talk about what he has said in the past regarding the NHS, or anything else.
I attack the man who portrays himself as an ordinary man, where clearly he is not.
He is the the best politician money can buy, according to Arron Banks.

I don’t know what the Torres or Labour campaigned on, but it wasn’t a no deal Brexit.
Perhaps they were just loyal voters to their party.
So to look at it another way, 65% didn’t vote for a no deal Brexit.
60% didn’t vote for Remain/second referendum.
So there is no consensus for either, just like in Parliament.
But Remain/2nd Referendum is ahead now.
And for all of you who say there is a majority for Leave with no deal, you are wrong.
You say that’s what you voted for in 2016, and got 52%. Well clearly that has dropped to 35% now!
Now that the reality of what a no deal is has been shown.
Perhaps a deal can be agreed that we can all live with, but I don’t see one at the moment.

Whyme read my post, you are confusing Leave and No deal Brexit.
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Re: Dancing Queen
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2019, 13:20:36 pm »
'I don't know what the Tories and Labour campaigned on but it wasn't a no deal brexit'

Theresa May...about 50 times. ' No deal is better than a bad deal'.

I also believe Corbyn originally stated they would honour the referendum without any talk of a deal involved. Perhaps he didn't think it was worth mentioning.

Anyway, whatever the case I believe you are right in one thing... a deal looks unlikely. Only force and pressure by one side will prevail. I have heard it possible that a new PM could override the commons and forge ahead without one if a deal is not agreed by 31st oct. Not sure about the legality of that...but I think it's the only way we are going to leave. There will be a lot of unhappy remainers about if that happens.

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« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2019, 13:38:35 pm »
What you knucklehead Brexitqueers cant seem to understand is that there will never be a majority for a no deal Brexit in Parliament. How difficult is that for you to grasp? Now you even believe that Bungling Boris is going to save your day. Oh, hold on. Perhaps you are suggesting Nigel for PM?  ;D

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« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2019, 14:10:51 pm »
No deal brexit was postponed on a majority of one, but I don't hear you shouting for a second vote. And the default action on 31st October is leave without a deal unless one can be brokered or postpone leaving again which I doubt the EU will agree to.

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« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2019, 14:21:42 pm »
What you knucklehead Brexitqueers cant seem to understand is that there will never be a majority for a no deal Brexit in Parliament. How difficult is that for you to grasp? Now you even believe that Bungling Boris is going to save your day. Oh, hold on. Perhaps you are suggesting Nigel for PM?  ;D

Yes

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« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2019, 17:09:44 pm »
“A Brexit deal could take ten years. That’s not fair. Most of the people who voted for it could be dead by then.” – Gary Lineker

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Re: Dancing Queen
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2019, 18:29:18 pm »
Glad to see the socialist parties in Spain and Portugal did so well in the European elections.
Will be able to counter the populist right wing parties.

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« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2019, 18:57:59 pm »
I was pleased to see that. Two great Countries that embrace immigration without prejudice.

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« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2019, 21:47:09 pm »
Yeah and look at the state they're in.